Thank God, Glenn Beck is Gone

For the first time in three years, I gathered the courage and patience to watch this buffoon for 11 minutes as entertainment.  Sadly, I know people in my ambit who love him and I am trying to understand how can they like this man’s message, how can they believe in it?
If you have the time watch this idiot Glen Beck makes a fool of himself.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201106290030?lid=1171804&rid=62008551

Media Matters, Color of Change, and Jewish Funds for Justice Release Statements On Beck's Final Fox Show

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Thursday, June 30, 2011

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 Washington, DC -- Today, Media Matters for America joined Color of Change and Jewish Funds for Justice in releasing the following statements on the final installment of Glenn Beck's 5 pm show on Fox News Channel

 
"After two years of vitriol, the public has had enough of Glenn Beck. His ratings, relevance, and -- after more than 300 advertisers abandoned the program -- the revenue he produced for Fox were all in decline," said David Brock, founder of Media Matters for America. "However, Fox as a network is still a home for misinformation and hate. Our work is far from over."

"We are happy to see Glenn Beck's show come to an end," said Rashad Robinson, Executive Director of ColorofChange.org. "Beck consistently played racial politics by building conspiracy theories that relied on prejudice to explain problems in our society, with his actions being consistently condoned by Fox executives Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes. We're glad to see Fox end the show, although it only happened once its business interests were threatened by the departure of more than 300 advertisers, which has been attributed to the efforts of our members and our multi-year campaign."

"Through his own poor judgment Beck became a liability to Fox," said Simon Greer, President of Progressive Jewish Alliance & Jewish Funds for Justice. "Beck's divisiveness and hate mongering have been rejected by not only a broad spectrum of Jews, but by a diverse group of people and organizations representing all kinds of Americans who care about the common good."

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Finally! After two long years of extremism, race baiting, lies, and conspiracy theories that have divided our country, Glenn Beck is ending his nightly Fox News show.

But the fight against right-wing misinformation on the airwaves is far from over. Every day, we watch the dishonesty, bias, and political manipulation on Fox News and throughout the right-wing media. And we work to prevent the destructive impact it has on every national debate from health care to immigration reform, from climate change to LGBT rights.

 Now is not a time to sit back; it's a time to ramp up.

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The Hate mongers of America

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By Robert Steinback
Illustration by Bri Hermanson

The apparent recent surge in popular anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States has been driven by a surprisingly small and, for the most part, closely knit cadre of activists. Their influence extends far beyond their limited numbers, in part because of an amenable legion of right-wing media personalities — and lately, politicians like U.S. Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.), who held controversial hearings into the radicalization of American Muslims this March —who are eager to promote them as impartial experts or grassroots leaders. Yet a close look at their rhetoric reveals how doggedly this group works to provoke and guide populist anger over what is seen as the threat posed by the 0.6% of Americans who are Muslim — an agenda that goes beyond reasonable concern about terrorism into the realm of demonization.
Of the 10 people profiled below, all but Bill French, Terry Jones and Debbie Schlussel regularly interact with others on the list. Most were selected for profiling primarily because of their association with activist organizations. People who only run websites or do commentary were omitted, with two exceptions: Schlussel, because she has influence as a frequent television talk-show guest, and John Joseph Jay, because he is on the board of Pamela Geller's Stop Islamization of America group. Three other activists, Steve Emerson, Daniel Pipes and Frank Gaffney, have interacted with many of the core group as well and also have offended many Muslims, but they are somewhat more moderate in their views of Muslims than those who are profiled below.

Bill French

BILL FRENCH
ORGANIZATION Heads the for-profit Center for the Study of Political Islam in Nashville.
CREDENTIALS Former Tennessee State University physics professor; author of Sharia Law for Non-Muslims (2010; under the pen name Bill Warner).
SUMMARY French has no formal training or background in law, Islam or Shariah law — which in any case is not an established legal code, as the book title implies, but a fluid concept subject to a wide range of interpretations and applications. He garnered attention recently by leading the opposition to a proposed mosque in Murfreesboro, Tenn.
IN HIS OWN WORDS "The two driving forces of our civilization are the Golden Rule and critical thought. … There is no Golden Rule in Islam. ... There is not really even a Ten Commandments."
—Quoted in The [Blount County, Tenn.] Daily Times, March 4, 2011
"This offends Allah. You offend Allah."
— Quoted in The Tennesseean, Oct. 24, 2010, speaking to opponents of the Murfreesboro mosque while pointing to an American flag

Brigitte Gabriel

BRIGITTE GABRIEL
ORGANIZATIONS Founder and head of ACT! for America and American Council for Truth.
CREDENTIALS Author of Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America (2006) and They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It (2008). Co-producer and co-host of weekly ACT! for America television show.
SUMMARY Gabriel views Islam in absolute terms as a monolithic threat to the United States, Israel and the West. She is prone to sweeping generalizations and exaggerations as she describes a grand, sophisticated Muslim conspiracy bent on world domination. Of the people profiled here, she alone has focused on building a grassroots organization, claiming 155,000 members and 500 chapters around the country. Questions persist about the accuracy of her autobiographical account of being a victim of Muslim militancy in Lebanon.
IN HER OWN WORDS "America has been infiltrated on all levels by radicals who wish to harm America. They have infiltrated us at the C.I.A., at the F.B.I., at the Pentagon, at the State Department."
— Quoted in The New York Times, March 7, 2011
"The difference, my friends, between Israel and the Arabic world is quite simply the difference between civilization and barbarism. It's the difference between good and evil and this is what we're witnessing in the Arab and Islamic world. I am angry. They have no soul! They are dead set on killing and destruction."
— From a speech delivered to the Rev. John Hagee's Christians United for Israel Convention, July 2007
"Tens of thousands of Islamic militants now reside in America, operating in sleeper cells, attending our colleges and universities, even infiltrating our government. They are here — today. Many have been here for years. Waiting. Preparing."
— ACT! for America website, undated

P. David Gaubatz

P. DAVID GAUBATZ
ORGANIZATION Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE).
CREDENTIALS Co-author of Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America (2009). As director of operations for SANE's Mapping Shariah project (see David Yerushalmi, below), a privately operated effort to infiltrate American mosques in an attempt to expose radical elements, Gaubatz was paid $148,898, according to Sheila Musaji of The American Muslim website.
SUMMARY A civilian agent who worked in the Middle East for the U.S. Air Forces Office of Special Investigations, Gaubatz made it a personal project — and the theme of his book — to prove the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is linked to international terrorism. In October 2009, four members of Congress led by Sue Myrick (R-N.C.) held an embarrassing press conference claiming the book revealed a Muslim plot to infiltrate government. Their hardest "evidence" was a document showing that CAIR had encouraged young Muslims to become Capitol interns — much like many other Washington, D.C., interest groups.
IN HIS OWN WORDS "As an ideology [Islam] is a terminal disease that once spread is hard to destroy. Once the ideology (cancer) takes hold it is like trying to remove millions of cancerous cells in one's body. Not impossible to remove, but very, very unlikely."
— Essay on the Northeast Intelligence Network website, June 10, 2008
"[T]he political ideology of winning over the West and the world for an Islamic Caliphate is NOT specific to some extremist group of Muslims. This is mainstream Islam and Shari'a. … The goal remains the same: all of the non-Islamic world, and indeed all of the Islamic world, must submit to Shari'a. A Muslim who refuses to do so will be killed. … A non-Muslim, assuming he is not a pagan (typically a Christian or Jew) might be given the opportunity to live in a subservient status in an Islamic society and pay a special head tax to prove his submission. But this option is left to the Caliph or ruler at the time."
— Essay carried by the Assyrian International News Agency, Feb. 13, 2008

Pamela Geller

PAMELA GELLER
ORGANIZATIONS Executive director and co-founder (with Robert Spencer; see below) of Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) and the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI), an umbrella group encompassing SIOA. Both are listed as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). Runs the Atlas Shrugs blog.
CREDENTIALS Self-styled expert on Islam with no formal training in the field. Co-produced with Spencer the film "The Ground Zero Mosque: Second Wave of the 9/11 Attacks," which was first screened at the 2011 Conservative Political Action Conference. Co-author with Spencer of The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America (2010).
SUMMARY Geller has seized the role of the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and influential figurehead. Her strengths are panache and vivid rhetorical flourishes — not to mention stunts like posing for an anti-Muslim video in a bikini — but she also can be coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam. Geller does not pretend to be learned in Islamic studies, leaving the argumentative heavy lifting to SIOA partner Spencer. She is prone to publicizing preposterous claims, such as President Obama being the "love child" of Malcolm X, and once suggested that recent U.S. Supreme Court appointee Elena Kagen, who is Jewish, supports Nazi ideology. Geller has mingled with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists and defended Serbian war criminal Slobodan Milosevic. She is a self-avowed Zionist who is sharply critical of Jewish liberals.
IN HER OWN WORDS "Islam is not a race. This is an ideology. This is an extreme ideology, the most radical and extreme ideology on the face of the earth."
— On Fox Business' "Follow the Money," March 10, 2011
"No, no, they can't. … I don't think that many westernized Muslims know when they pray five times a day that they're cursing Christians and Jews five times a day. … I believe in the idea of a moderate Muslim. I do not believe in the idea of a moderate Islam. I think a moderate Muslim is a secular Muslim."
— Quoted in The New York Times, responding to a question as to whether devout practicing Muslims can be political moderates, Oct. 8, 2010
"In the war between the civilized man and the savage, you side with the civilized man. … If you don't lay down and die for Islamic supremacism, then you're a racist anti-Muslim Islamophobic bigot. That's what we're really talking about."
— Quoted in The New York Times, Oct. 8, 2010

David Horowitz

DAVID HOROWITZ
ORGANIZATION Front Page Magazine (online), published by the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
CREDENTIALS Organized "Islamofascism Awareness Week" which brought prominent anti-Muslim activists to college campuses in 2007. Author of several books including Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left (2004), which claims that American leftists support Islamic terrorists.
SUMMARY Horowitz, who spent his young years as a Marxist, has in recent years become a furious far-right antagonist of liberals and leftists. He also provides some funding support for other anti-Muslim ventures, including, according to the blog SpencerWatch.com, paying Spencer $132,537 to run the JihadWatch website. Horowitz sees no philosophical gradations; if you're not in total agreement with his view of Islam, you're in favor of Muslim hegemony. He believes the Muslim Brotherhood and "Islamofascists" control most American Muslim organizations, especially Muslim student groups on college campuses.
IN HIS OWN WORDS "I spent 25 years in the American Left, whose agendas are definitely to destroy this country. The American left wanted us to lose the Cold War with the Soviets and it wants us to lose the war on terror. So I don't make any apologies for that."
— On the "Riz Khan" Show, Al Jazeera, Aug. 21, 2008
"Some polls estimate that 10 percent of Muslims support Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. An al-Jazeera poll put the number at 50 percent. In other words, somewhere between 150 million and 750 million Muslims support a holy war against Christians, Jews, and other Muslims who don't happen to be true believers in the Quran according to
bin Laden."
— In the Columbia Spectator, Oct. 15, 2007
"There are 150 Muslim Student Associations on American campuses. The Muslim Student Associations were created by Hamas and funded by Saudi Arabia. … [The associations] are Wahhabi Islamicists, and they basically support our enemies."
— On Fox News' "Neil Cavuto Show," Aug. 15, 2006

John Joseph Jay

JOHN JOSEPH JAY
ORGANIZATION summer patriot, winter soldier (a website; Jay doesn't use capital letters in his website's name or in his writings). Board member, SIOA. Listed as one of the founders of American Freedom Defense Initiative, SIOA's umbrella group (see also Pam Geller, above).
CREDENTIALS Jay worked for 25 years as a prosecutor and criminal defense attorney in Washington, D.C. Geller's Atlas Shrugs blog describes him as a constitutional scholar. In addition to his anti-Muslim commentary, Jay blogs prolifically on the right to bear arms.
SUMMARY Jay is remarkable for his unreconstructed hatred of all Muslims. He believes attacks by Muslim terrorists justify any violence directed at any Muslim, adding that, as he sees it, the Koran itself justifies such blind retaliation.
IN HIS OWN WORDS "every person in islam, from man to woman to child may be our executioner. … there are no innocents in islam. … there is no innocence in islam. all of islam is at war with us, and … all of islam is/are combatant[s.] … islam has established without intellectual doubt that there are no innocent muslims, that the myth of the ‘moderate muslim' is precisely that, and that muslims are no more entitled to exemption or protection from retaliation that [sic] any of the other ‘non-innocent' combatants in the world. … there are no innocent muslims. islam is subject to killing on grounds of political expediency on the same basis as islam kills its victims, and islam cannot ethically and morally claim otherwise."
— From his website, July 14, 2010
"in short, dear muslims, g_d in his infinite wisdom saw in advance this struggle between men and religions to win his favor, and the only thing that is foreordained, is that the strong and the resolute shall win his favor, and so far, it has been amply demonstrated that he has chosen the jews as his people, and favored christianity with science, technology, culture and military power. to islam, he has given the hind and dry tit, and the sewers and the deserts of the world in which to inhabit, and in which to fester."
— From his website, June 27, 2010

Terry Jones

TERRY JONES
ORGANIZATION Dove World Outreach Center of Gainesville, Fla. Listed by the SPLC as a hate group.
CREDENTIALS Pastor of Dove World; instigator of "International Burn a Koran Day," which was slated for Sept. 11, 2010, but canceled after worldwide protests and calls from senior officials of the Obama Administration. On March 20, however, Jones did burn a Koran, leading to several days of rampages in early April by religious rioters in Afghanistan, including the storming of a United Nations compound, that resulted in the deaths of at least 20 people. Jones showed no remorse over the deaths, which included at least seven foreigners. Author of Islam is of the Devil (2010). Jones has admitted never having read the Koran. He has no academic or theological degree; his "doctorate" is honorary.
SUMMARY A true fanatical extremist who seems to be driven mostly by the need for self-promotion and publicity. Operates entirely outside of the core circle of anti-Muslim activists. Jones is also virulently anti-gay.
IN HIS OWN WORDS "Here's your opportunity, all you so-called peaceful Moslems [Jones' pronunciation]. … We are accusing the Koran of murder, rape, deception, being responsible for terrorist activities all around the world. … Present to us your defense attorney who is going to defend the Koran. Let us really see. We challenge you: do it. Let us not talk. Let us have some action and proof. … The Koran, if found guilty, can be burned … Or the Koran will be drowned. Or the Koran will be shredded into little bitty pieces … or the Koran will face a firing squad."
— From an undated video on the Dove World Outreach website announcing "International Judge the Koran Day"
"The world is facing a great danger, which, if it is not stopped, will sooner or later be a threat to freedom in all nations and specifically to the United States. This danger is the growing religion of Islam."
— From the introduction to Islam is of the Devil, 2010

Debbie Schlussel

DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL
ORGANIZATION Columnist; eponymous website.
CREDENTIALS The granddaughter of Holocaust survivors, Schlussel is a Detroit-based attorney and MBA. Frequent guest on conservative talk shows.
SUMMARY Uncompromising, viciously anti-Muslim commentator who dismisses ostensible allies if they are willing to believe in the concept of moderate Islam. She has even berated Hollywood for its failure to depict Muslims as sufficiently villainous. She has referred to Muslims as "animals." Her intense animosity toward Muslims appears rooted in strong pro-Israel sentiments.
IN HER OWN WORDS "So sad, too bad, Lara. No one told her to go there. She knew the risks. And she should have known what Islam is all about. Now she knows. Or so we'd hope. … How fitting that Lara Logan was ‘liberated' by Muslims in Liberation Square while she was gushing over the other part of the ‘liberation.' Hope you're enjoying the revolution, Lara! Alhamdillullah (praise allah) [sic]."
— From her website, following the gang sexual assault on CBS Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Lara Logan in Cairo, Feb. 15, 2011
"[T]he fact is that the majority of Muslims support terrorism. The vast majority. Not just a few hijackers and a few suicide bombers. But the MAJORITY. This isn't me saying it. It's Muslims saying it. And not just in poll after poll of Muslims around the world including in America. Go to the streets of ‘moderate Muslim' Dearbornistan [Dearborn, Mich.] and see how many Muslims dare condemn Hezbollah and HAMAS. It's like playing "Where's Waldo?"
— From her website, Oct. 8, 2008

Robert Spencer

ROBERT SPENCER
ORGANIZATION Runs the Jihad Watch website, a project of the David Horowitz Freedom Center. Co-founder with Pamela Geller (see above) of Stop Islamization of America and the American Freedom Defense Initiative.
CREDENTIALS Spencer has a master's degree in religious studies from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Co-produced with Geller the film "The Ground Zero Mosque: Second Wave of the 9/11 Attacks" (2011). Author of numerous books including The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion (2007) and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) (2005).
SUMMARY Spencer is entirely self-taught in the study of modern Islam and the Koran. Critics have accused him of doggedly taking the Koran literally — Spencer considers it innately extremist and violent — while ignoring its nonviolent passages and the vast interpretive tradition that has modified Koranic teachings over the centuries. Spencer believes that moderate Muslims exist, but to prove it, they'd have to fully denounce the portions of the Koran he finds objectionable. Spencer has been known to fraternize with European racists and neo-fascists, though he says such contacts were merely incidental. Benazir Bhutto, the late prime minister of Pakistan, accused Spencer of "falsely constructing a divide between Islam and West" in her 2008 book, Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy, and the West. Spencer, she wrote, presented a "skewed, one-sided, and inflammatory story that only helps to sow the seed of civilizational conflict."
IN HIS OWN WORDS "Osama [bin Laden]'s use of these and other [Koranic] passages in his messages is consistent … with traditional understanding of the Quran. When modern-day Jews and Christians read their Bibles, they simply don't interpret the passages cited as exhorting them to violent actions against unbelievers. This is due to the influence of centuries of interpretative traditions that have moved them away from literalism regarding these passages. But in Islam, there is no comparable interpretative tradition."
— From The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), 2005
"Where is moderate Islam? How can moderate Muslims refute the radical exegesis of the Qur'an and Sunnah? If an exposition of moderate Islam does not address or answer radical exegeses, is it really of any value to quash Islamic extremism? If the answer lies in a simple rejection of Qur'anic literalism, how can non-literalists make that rejection stick, and keep their children from being recruited by jihadists by means of literalism? Of course, as I have pointed out many times, traditional Islam itself is not moderate or peaceful. It is the only major world religion with a developed doctrine and tradition of warfare against unbelievers."
— Jihad Watch, Jan. 14, 2006

David Yerushalmi

DAVID YERUSHALMI
ORGANIZATION President of the Society of Americans for National Existence (SANE); principal of Stop the Madrassa.
CREDENTIALS General counsel for the Center for Security Policy (see Frank J. Gaffney Jr., above); also, an attorney representing SIOA. Yerushalmi drafted a proposed law filed this year in the Tennessee legislature that would subject anyone who advocates or adheres to Shariah customs to up to 15 years in prison; he drafted a similar bill in Georgia in 2008.
SUMMARY Yerushalmi equates Shariah with Islamic radicalism so totally that he advocates criminalizing virtually any personal practice compliant with Shariah. In his view, only a Muslim who fully breaks with the customs of Shariah can be considered socially tolerable. He waxes bloodthirsty when describing his preferred response to the supposed global threat of Shariah law, speaking casually of killing and destroying. Ideally, he would outlaw Islam and deport Muslims and other "non-Western, non-Christian" people to protect the United States' "national character." An ultra-orthodox Jew, he is deeply hostile toward liberal Jews. He derides U.S.-style democracy because it allows more than just an elite, privileged few to vote.
IN HIS OWN WORDS "On the so-called Global War on Terrorism, GWOT, we have been quite clear along with a few other resolute souls. This should be a WAR AGAINST ISLAM and all Muslim faithful. … At a practical level, this means that Shari'a and Islamic law are immediately outlawed. Any Muslim in America who adopts historical and traditional Shari'a will be subject to deportation. Mosques which adhere to Islamic law will be shut down permanently. No self-described or practicing Muslim, irrespective of his or her declarations to the contrary, will be allowed to immigrate to this country."
— A 2007 commentary entitled "War Manifesto — The War Against Islam," as reported by The American Muslim
"The more carefully reviewed evidence, however, suggests that because jihadism is in fact traditional Islam modernized to war against the ideological threat posed by the West against Islam proper, there is no way to keep faithful Muslims out of the war. If this is true, any Muslim who sticks his neck out of the mosque to yell some obscenity at the West should be considered an enemy combatant and killed or captured and held for the duration of the war. If you kill enough of them consistently enough, those disinclined to fight in the first place will find a way to reform their religion."
— Review of Mary Habeck's book Knowing the Enemy on the American Thinker website, Sept. 9. 2006

Hate talk from Israeli leaders

THE BLOG: HATE SERMONS
http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/

Hate peddling is unfortunately human, and doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with religion, any religion. As all the religions teach to overcome hate, here are some quotes about doing unto others. http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/2008/03/hate-sermons-from-pulpit.html

No one needs to rejoice, gloat, stereotype or condemn the "other" without looking inward; the ugly ones are connected to each one of us, via belonging to the same nation, same religion, same race, continent or heck, the planet earth. Knowledge allows us to at least stop barking at others as we (each one of us) deserve to be barked at as well.

This blog was created to accumulate a list of all hate mongering dialogues and work on finding solutions, as most of it is rhetoric, neither the Jewish majority means to kill the Palestinians or Hamas means to drive Israel into the ocean (Check out the interviews with Charlie Rose). Both are stances taken to assert an extreme position. We do not have honest media, they are all paid staff to deliver what is told. Sadly they highlight the ugly statement of the other and fail in their responsibility of the vice-versa. Thank God, we have hope for mankind, there is BBC and PBS still delivering honest news.

I have included Kiran Kapoor’s quotes and it is the responsibility of each one of us to refute that which is un-truth. We have to work to create a better society. I invite any and all comments to share if the following comments are not true. Finding the truth is one's own responsibility.

We have to learn to accept that the statement is not made by you or me, but you and I have the responsibility to discourage and condemn all such statements without flinching, hesitating, corrupting or defending the men and women who have made such statements. This is the reason, you find me jump on every Muslim that makes hate statements.

We are all on the same side, to do good, to create a society of harmony, as it ensures safety to you, me and every one.

Mike Ghouse
http://www.mikeghouse.net/
http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/

http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/2010/06/hate-talk-from-israeli-leaders.html

While we were discussing on Zakir Naik's hate speech, a few postings emerged quoting the Israeli leaders, I have asked every one on the face book and ask here to check the veracity of the statements and comment about it.

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=444779257773&comments#!/notes/mike-ghouse/zakir-naik-banned-from-toronto-conference/444779257773

On this blog: http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/2010/06/zakir-naik-banned-from-toronto.html
The sequence of the statements;
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Mike Ghouse

Habib's words in English, " How can partial knowledge make one Zakir, Zakir is made through intellect." Please write in English.

Zakir is no doubt familiar with the technical knowlege of different religions, but has no ideas about the essence of the religion. He has demonstrateda complete lack of knowlege.

John Hagee has millions of followers like Naik and both have no idea of what Christianity and Islam stands for respectively.

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Kiran Kapoor:

I would love to enlighten one and all with some[i can quote dozens] of the shameless and inhumane examples of hate speech.Here they are...

1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a... See More few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

8. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

9. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

10. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)

11. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

12. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

13. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

14. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

15."One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]

16. "We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

17. "We will have a world government whether you like it or not. The only question is whether that government will be achieved by conquest or consent." (Jewish Banker Paul Warburg, February 17, 1950, as he testified before the U.S. Senate).

18."Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." - Israeli prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982

19."We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day."
(Michael Ben-Yair, 3 March 2002)
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Mike Ghouse

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Our topic is Hate speech, and how we are going to deal with it, at least among the members who are accessing this thread. I have lauded the Canadian Government for banning Dr. Naik from participating in the conference.

I have deleted three comments that cursed out Muslims and Jews, that won’t add to the solutions.

Dialogue is the best available option where we can place all our cards on the table influenced by emotion, religion, injustice, frustration, anger etc… and it appears that we are placing a lot of cards.

We have a choice to be frustrated and run and that’s what we have been doing and it has not worked. Or we can face and listen to both sides and re-assess our opinions based on a full understanding of the situation.

If the goal is sustainable solutions, we need to hear opinions that we do not agree with and have the objective of finding solutions. We need to restrict speeches that are derogatory and cause misunderstandings.

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KIRAN;
I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOU, BUT ARE THESE QUOTES AUTHENTIC? CAN YOU POST THE LINKS FOR AT LEAST THREE QUOTES? I WOULD ASK OTHERS TO REFUTE, IF THEY ARE NOT LEGITIMATE.
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Mike Ghouse

Here is another good piece in the Guardian

What do Dr Zakir Naik, Russian skinhead Pavel Skachevsky, far-right US talk show host Michael Savage, former Kahane Chai leader Mike Guzovsky and Kansas Baptist pastor Fred Phelps have in common? They are all on the list of people who have been banned from entering the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jun/22/zakir-naik-preacher-free-speech

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Kiran Kapoor @Mike:

I don't play with truth nor do I distort truth to appease or ridicule a few over here who I'm sure are still not aware of the real hate speeches in the pages of time.

I personally agree with anyone who calls Americans[Read as zionist America] as terrorists.I can give historical evidences to prove my point.The world peace is in danger because of the deceptions,violence and lies of these two terrorist states,USA and Isreal.Anyone to challenge me on that?... See More

Well,Mike here is a great article on 'Israel's History in Quotes' where u can read more on hate speech.I think Dr Zakir Naik's words do not qualify as hate speech when u go thru these real fitting examples of hate speech in not so distant history.

Here is the link... http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2008/12/31/israel-s-history-in-quotes

1]"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]...............read it here........ http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/28/world/west-bank-massacre-israel-orders-tough-measures-against-militant-settlers.html

2]In his book, “You Gentiles,” Maurice Samuel states the following of his people, the Jews,

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.”

Since 1922, Maurice Samuel worked as secretary to Chaim Weizmann, the leader of the World Zionist Movement....read this at..... http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue.of.Satan/1920-1935.htm

3] [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982 at ZIONIST INCITEMENTS TO GENOCIDE....the link..... http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Martin_Webster_01.htm

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Robert Reno
Hi Mike, then add this to your list of hate speech too:"I personally agree with anyone who calls Americans [Read as zionist America] as terrorists." (Kirin Kapoor)If I say without qualification "Muslims are terrorists," or "Arabs are terrorists," or "Saudi Arabians are terrorists," or "Palestinians are terrorists," I am the author of hate ... See Morespeech. Hate speech uses stereotypes to demonize and label entire groups of or classes of people. It is the first step in dehumanizing them so that violence against them can be justified. Ironic, that Kirin rails against hate speech while giving vent to hate speech herself. And so the cycle of violence (verbal and physical)

Expressions such as these create an atmosphere of combustible intolerance: "Most Indians are drunks, but he's a hard worker"; "He may be a Jew, but he's not greedy"; "I'm usually careful around blacks, but he can be trusted." These statements reflect the same animosity as their more flagrant counterparts; "Indians are drunks," "Jews are greedy," ... See Moreand "blacks are dangerous."(....)

Oppressors justify inequities by making their targets out to be less than human, unworthy of fair treatment or even of mercy ordinarily shown to animals.... Negative stereotypes and ideological schemas, designed to rationalize power in the hands of dominant groups, precede crimes against humanity such as genocide. Many lives may be ruined before the views of those who rebuff popular prejudices trickle into the community conscience. Even societies striving for equality, steeped in natural rights theory, and vigilant against intolerant majorities are not wholly immune from becoming havens for supremacists promulgating aggressive ideologies. (Tsesis 2002: 2-3)--

Tsesis, Alexander. Destructive Messages: How Hate Speech Paves the Way for Harmful Social Movements.: New York University Press; 2002; pp. 2-3.
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- Robert,Indeed Kiran's statement amounts to hate speech and stereotyping. Thanks for bringing this up. Let's give her the room to clarify and share her thoughts.Zionism in its simplest form is the desire of the Jews in diaspora to live in their home land, indeed, that is the desire of most people; to be at home where they feel secure.

Zionism. encapsulates the dream of the Jewish people to have a homeland; it is an idea of life for the people. The Word Zionism conjures up different images to different people, we have to accept that bad elements are in every group, whether Zionism, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism or others, we cannot brand the whole group for the acts of few, this amounts to stereotyping and it is wholesale prejudice.

Robert, I will post these three items from the thread at the blog site. Agree Hate messages are destructive to the society, especially on the Media and the mouths of the politicians, let's hope to work this up to a movement to to treat hate speech as an act of yelling fire in a crowded place
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In fairness to Kiran, I have as an American at times in private become so angry with my political leaders (i.e., Bush and his war of choice, the biased and onesided foreign policy towards the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, etc.) that I have said some pretty ugly things directed toward Bush and others who facilitated injustice around the world.

I think Bush/Cheney are war crminals, but fully recognized that in the realpoltic world they will never face international justice. I am no stranger to her frustration.But when we fail to differentiate people from the actions of their political leaders, we all to easy fall into the trap of assuming that everyone supports the current policies of their government. That is simply not true, and if truth matters, which it does, then we should not overlook this simple fact.

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- Robert, thanks for sharing your frustration. It irritates the heck out of me when some one blames America for the acts of a few, but we (our Media and our government representing us) do the same crap, retaliating the whole nation of Iraq, Iran or some one else for the acts of their dictators..

Bush was a "unilateralist" and his actions were anti-American, that is 72% of Americans did not approve his actions he still went ahead with it. What is the difference between him and Saddam? They were a dictatorship and we are a democarcy and bear the burden of the crimes committed in our name.I encourage dialogue, we should not be afraid of a dialogue, even if it is about hate speech. We should not shut any one, what is our fear?

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Window into Palestine

Hebrew essayist Achad Ha-Am, after paying a visit to Palestine in 1891:

"Abroad we are accustomed to believe that Israel is almost empty; nothing is grown here and that whoever wishes to buy land could come here and buy what his heart desires. In reality, the situation is not like this. Throughout the country it is difficult to find cultivable land which is not already cultivated."

Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry:

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."

The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, on the 2nd of November, 1917:

"His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

Lord Sydenham, Hansard, House of Lords, 21 June 1922:

"If we are going to admit claims on conquest thousands of years ago, the whole world will have to be turned upside down."

Vladimir Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923:

"Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population - an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs..."

Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of Revisionist Zionism (precursor of Likud), The Iron Wall, 1923:

"A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison on your behalf. Or else-or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous, but IMPOSSIBLE!... Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands or falls by the question of armed force. It is important... to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot - or else I am through with playing at colonizing."

David Ben Gurion, future Prime Minister of Israel, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985:

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."

Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department in 1940. From "A Solution to the Refugee Problem":

"Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country. We shall not achieve our goal if the Arabs are in this small country. There is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to neighboring countries - all of them. Not one village, not one tribe should be left."

Israeli official Arthur Lourie in a letter to Walter Eytan, director general of the Israeli Foreign Ministry (ISA FM 2564/22). From Benny Morris, "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem 1947-49", p. 297:

"...if people become accustomed to the large figure and we are actually obliged to accept the return of the refugees, we may find it difficult, when faced with hordes of claimants, to convince the world that not all of these formerly lived in Israeli territory. It would, in any event, seem desirable to minimize the numbers...than otherwise."

David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben- Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978:

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."

David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157:
"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

David Ben-Gurion, one of the father founders of Israel, described Zionist aims in 1948:

"A Christian state should be established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab Legion's strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo... And in this fashion, we will end the war and settle our forefathers' account with Egypt, Assyria, and Aram"

[Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir who were members of the party became Prime Ministers.] Albert Einstein, Hanna Arendt and other prominent Jewish Americans, writing in The New York Times, protest the visit to America of Menachem Begin, December 1948:

"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our time is the emergence in the newly created State of Israel of the Freedom Party (Herut), a political party closely akin in its organization, method, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."

Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugees in March 1949:

"We will have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent, nor redemptive. And that in its creation, and expansion; we as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered; a refugee population in Diaspora."

Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister), on February 12 1952. Radio "Israel.":

"It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli army to carry out the fight with the ultimate object of erecting the Israeli Empire."

Martin Buber, to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958:
"When we [followers of the prophetic Judaism] returned to Palestine...the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."

Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas:

Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters"

Aba Eban (the Israeli Foreign Minister) stated arrogantly. New York Times June 19, 1967:

"If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of "Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders)

Dr. Israel Shahak, Chairperson of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights, and a survivor of the Bergen Belsen concentration camp, Commenting on the Israeli military's Emergency Regulations following the 1967 War. Palestine, vol. 12, December 1983:

"Hitler's legal power was based upon the 'Enabling Act', which was passed quite legally by the Reichstag and which allowed the Fuehrer and his representatives, in plain language, to be what they wanted, or in legal language, to issue regulations having the force of law. Exactly the same type of act was passed by the Knesset [Israeli's Parliament] immediately after the 1067 conquest granting the Israeli governor and his representatives the power of Hitler, which they use in Hitlerian manner."

Golda Meir, March 8, 1969:

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."

Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969:

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al- Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969:

"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed"

Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972:

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war."

Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972:

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 /p.2:

"The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point ... We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe."

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979:

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out'"

Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982:

"[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."

Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983:

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."

Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983:

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."

Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983:

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."

Isreali Prime Minister, Yitzhak Shamir, in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988:

"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."

Israeli Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, Inferring that killing isn't murder if the victim is Gentile. Jerusalem Post, June 19,1989:

"Jewish blood and a goy's [gentile's] blood are not the same."

Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, tells students at Bar Ilan University, From the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989:

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."

Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service:

"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the Jordan River for future generations, for the mass aliya [immigration], and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."

Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15,1998:

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."

Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000:

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"...

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000:

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."

Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001:

"There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies? Not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."

Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio:

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."

"Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum":

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5:

"There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. I tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary."

Ben Gurion:

In 1899, Davis Triestsch wrote to Herzl: " I would suggest to you to come round in time to the "Greater Palestine" program before it is too late... the Basle program must contain the words "Great Palestine" or "Palestine and its neighboring lands" otherwise it's nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of 25,000 Km2". " The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill -- From the Nile to the Euphrates."

Vladimir Jabotinsky (the founder and advocate of the Zionist terrorist organizations), Quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish People or Jewish Problem):

"Has any People ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way, the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence."

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121:

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

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HAGEES HATE SERMONS ON PBS

John Hagee again

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10052007/watch2.html

Has any one investigated Hagee's motivation for his crusade? Is it the lavish life style?

What is he getting out of preaching hate?
How is he anything less than those terrorists who want to annhilate others?
Isn't he terrorizing the other people living in Israel?

I do hope that a majority of this attendees are for entertainment and his oratory skills and not bleieve in hate and destruction of God's universe.

I pray that God guides him to be a man of peace, he can turn his passion into peace for the people out there. Israel can be secure, if they can take a firm stand to follow the rule of law and justice for all.

Praying for Obama's death

Praying for Obama's death: evil, immoral, Biblically sanctioned
August 31, 6:35 PM
Anchorage Liberal Examiner

Mike Ghouse comment at the end of the article

http://www.examiner.com/x-19545-Anchorage-Liberal-Examiner~y2009m8d31-Praying-for-Obamas-death-evil-immoral-Biblically-sanctioned

It's well understood that right-wingers oppose the Obama Presidency and want to see him voted out next year. Some go so far as to publicly express their hope that the President will fail, letting their hatred of him supersede their (supposed) love of country. Now, though, an Arizona pastor has gone a step further; Steven Anderson wants the President to die of brain cancer, just like Ted Kennedy did. And he wants it to happen today.

On August 16th, Anderson preached:

"Why should Barack Obama melt like a snail? Why should Barack Obama die like the untimely birth of a woman? Why should his children be fatherless and his wife a widow, as we read in this passage?

Well, I will tell you why. Because, since Barack Obama thinks it is OK to use a salty solution, right, to abort the unborn, because that's how abortions are done, my friend, using salt -- and I would like to see Barack Obama melt like a snail tonight... And yet you're going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things -- you're gonna tell me I'm supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona.

Nope. I'm not gonna pray for his good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell."

Later, rather than apologize for making abhorrent statements about the leader that the citizens of the United States elected, Anderson went even further: "I'd like to see him die, like Ted Kennedy, of brain cancer."

To the pastor's credit, at least he's not demanding Obama's head over the issue of health care reform.

And so yet another honorable "pro-life" person strides onto the national stage, sending letters to God begging for the Almighty to leave Michelle Obama a widow and Sasha and Malia fatherless because Obama dared to respect the law of the United States. This honorable "pro-life" person bragged about his parishioners carrying guns to church, and was nothing but proud when one of his own, a man named Christopher Broughton, attended a Phoenix event featuring President Obama while carrying a loaded rifle. The event was one day after Anderson's "death to Obama" sermon.

There's nothing factually wrong with this vile fundamentalist rhetoric. Anderson's prayers for the death of our democratically elected President stem from a Biblical command to kill all "murderers," which many sects of Christianity interpret as including people who have, provide or enable abortions. All this sick man is doing is following the word of the Bible as clearly stated. It's logical, if one accepts the laws of the Bible as true and does not cherry-pick, that Barack Obama, along with all abortion providers, women who have had abortions, administrators of hospitals that employ doctors who provide abortions, and so on should get a bullet between the eyes.

More moderate Christians are certainly quick to disown this man, as they did Scott Roeder, Michael Griffin, Paul Jennings Hill, John Salvi, Eric Rudolph, and James Kopp - and those are just the murderers. The list goes on; abortion providers have been shot, sent death threats and bomb threats and anthrax threats, assaulted, bombed, vandalized... They're just fundamentalists, just extremists, the moderate wing will say. How many people have to commit these appalling acts of violence before they become mainstream?

In the end, though, Anderson's just being a good Christian. He is following the literal word of the Bible because he believes that is the inerrant word of God. In addition to praying for the death of America's President, he's also given a sermon on the merits of killing homosexuals (who, he asserts, "recruit through rape"). It makes sense that his followers, being convinced that Barack Obama is, if not the Antichrist, an extremely evil man, and being in possession of firearms, should move to do justice upon him. Perhaps one of them will become convinced that he is God's tool for removing Barack Obama from office and from this world; in a community of religious fundamentalists, it's just as likely as a fundamentalist Muslim believing his holy duty is to become a suicide bomber.

Speaking of Muslims, how do you think the Christian right would feel if it were a Muslim man praying for the death of America's head of state?

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If it were a Muslim, it would have been a fodder for the likes of Beck, Limbaugh and the radicals among the Republican leadership and the hate mongers like Spencer, Emerson and their likes. They would have feasted for months.

Think about the congregation of Anderson, how could they tolerate a hate sermon? Would Jesus have approved this? No wonder Nation is moving towards Atheism, where at least they don't preach hate towards any one. Anderson, Hagee, Robertson, Falwell are the biggest anti-christ guys in our nation who teach exacatly opposite of the teachings of Jesus - Love and embrace God's creation.

Mike Ghouse is a thinker, writer speaker and an activist of pluralism, interfaith, co-existence, peace, Islam and India. He is a frequent guest at the TV, radio and print media offering pluralistic solutions to issues of the day. His websites and Blogs are listed on http://www.mikeghouse.net/

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Nonie Darwish; a hate monger

http://hatesermons.blogspot.com/2009/08/nonie-darwish-hate-monger.html

My resopnse to Nonie Darwish's article, "Joys of Muslim Women" follows my comments.

Islam bashing is an industry well funded by those who seek chaos. Individuals like Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan and others fall for the money offers.

Do the people who fund hate talk, hate write and hate actions ever understand that solutions to a peaceful world does not come through hate, but from goodwill?

If some one were to mess up my life, I should blame the men and women and not their nation, race, ethnicity or religon.  If I were to murder someone, its me who needs to be incarcerated, it has nothing to do with my City (Carrollton), my parents, friends or my kids.

Years ago, when I published a newspaper here in Dallas,  a group approached me and offered me real big money to continue to run the paper and wanted me to run it by their agenda and I was amazed they had the audacity to do that, I gues they thought money can buy anything. Thank God I closed the Paper down rather than cherish the "hate money". Check this out, if you want to make serious money, write hate books, do the hate talks.. money is guaranteed, if you sell hate against Muslims at this time, the money is waiting to be had.   


Let me address the issues with “quotes” below key statement.

Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish

In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9.

Mike: The practice of asking one’s friends or relative’s son or daughter in marriage with their kids at birth is common, the medieval kings did it and in India it is still out there, that is called betrothed and not marriage. It has nothing to do with Islam; it is a practice in India and Egypt. Marriages are consummated when the girl is ready sexually and not before.

The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

Mike: It is a cultural practice in Hindu India as well as Muslim Egypt. In India, it is practiced by Christians as well. Men have burned the brides in India for not bringing the dowry – we cannot call that a Hindu or a Muslim practices, it is the practice of disgusting men and women. Does KKK reflect American Values? Did discrimination represented American values?

Even though a woman is abused she can not obtain a divorce.

Mike: Baloney – Islam was one of the first religions that gave permission to women to seek marriages or divorces.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Mike: It’s to prevent a summary judgment against an innocent man. I will add some links about Sharia Laws in the next few questions.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and do not have to say why she was beaten.

Mike: Who is Nona duping? She can cash it as much as she can from the dumb suckers for this non-sense. I have witnessed many such incidents – the Jewish community in Los Angeles did a walk out on Wafa Sultan for the bogus lies she said about Muslims, and one of the producers showed a documentary on anti-Semitism in Europe with cooked up items to frighten the crap out of the older Jewish men and women and collect cash.

Read the full story: http://www.foundationforpluralism.com/Articles/Jewish-Muslim-dialogue-a-necessity.asp

The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.

Mike: The first part is true and 2nd Part is false. The Bush aggression in Iraq has put over quarter million women on the streets. The sole support for these women – husband, brother, father or a relative is killed in the mayhem. There is no one to care for them or feed them, they are selling flesh and perhaps with that goes STD’s. When a man gives them a shelter (all men, be it American, Chinese or Cherokees look for sex in them). The woman has lost her self esteem, and the whole society is affected by it with diseases of illicit sex and taking advantage of the needy. It is during this situation a man is allowed to marry up to four women – with the permission of his first wife to ensure it is not lust but social care. That woman needs to be given dignity and respect and not looked at as an object. Of course abuses and loopholes are always there; even our elected presidents have abused the power.

Most Muslims do not practice this, but some do it for lust. How many priests, Rabbis and Senators have been cheating on their wives? The Islamic method is legal method and I can see the value of it in Iraq, but I do not support that. I trust men to care for the women who are disadvantaged without taking advantage of them.

The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.

Mike: Shariah laws are for both men and women. They are not divine by any stretch of the imaginations, although in Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan and Afghnistan they have made attempts to call it divine. It has two parts: 1) Sharia for individuals - deals with the how to of worship and ii) Sharia for public – deals with crimes, inheritance, marriage, divorce etc– the intent was indeed justice, but over the years it has been abused and Muslims do not favor Sharia Laws and certainly Muslims in America, Canada and other democracies prefer the Civil laws of the society as they serve justice.

1) Visit the website: http://www.foundationforpluralism.com/WorldMuslimCongress.asp

2) Muslims are in America to live their American dream, and NOT to dominate or impose Sharia Laws. http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2009/05/5000-reward.html

3) No Sharia in America - http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2009/06/no-shariah-in-america.html

4) Sharia and political system - http://sharialaws.blogspot.com/2009/03/shariah-and-political-system.html

5) Understanding Sharia - http://sharialaws.blogspot.com/2008/03/sharia-value.html

More about Sharia at the end of this article:

In the Western World (America) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and the men can have full and complete control of the wife. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.

Mike: In the last month, I personally had six calls from women wanted to convert to Islam, as they have studied the right books and not the ones dished out by hate mongers. I discourage one to convert and asked them to spend time on their own faith and learn about it. However, if they insist on it, I give suggestions – it is free will and free choice. This last month two white girls a Mormon in SD and a Baptist in Denver converted on their own. They are still single and are journalists.

It makes sense for the extremists among Christians and Jews to find the Nona’s to malign the religion and stop conversions. Indeed, the Neocons in Europe in the 10th Century paid money to mis-translate Qur’aan as a cult to rob the support of their subjects and wage the holy war against Muslims. It was all political, but they succeeded in making it a religious one, they even duped he pope to issue a fatwa against Muslims.

You can read the stuff on the left panel with pictures of Qur’aan that were deliberately mistranslated - http://quraan-today.blogspot.com/

By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.

Cruel and Usual Punishment - just released in most bookstores. Ripping the West in Two.

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.

Mike: Smart woman Nona is finding dumb idiots to buy her crap. Muslims are divided badly, the Saudis don’t get along with Iranians, and the Palestinians are fractured. The Muslims in America are utterly divided; there is no single voice for them. Indeed, there is no clergy in Islam, it was expressly prohibited… but the Muslims Neocons have made an industry out of it. Sharia is not coming, and there are many Muslim websites offering rewards to find those who think of bringing Sharia laws. An overwhelming majority of new generations are diametrically opposed to it and I will stand against it. Look at www.WorldMuslimcongress.com for the rewards. If I can offer Nona a million dollars a year, the woman will write for me the way I want her to write. It is all an industry.

Mike: I have references enough about Sharia – just go the sites and discover:

http://sharialaws.blogspot.com/
http://quraan-today.blogspot.com/2008/08/all-articles-listed.html
http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/

She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.

Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before emigrating to America in 1978. When she was eight years old, her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel . He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza .

When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.

But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.

In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping Shariah Law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.

For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose Shariah on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. To elect the President! I think everyone in the U.S. Should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!

This is your chance to make a difference...!

What is Sharia

Sharia in its simplest form is a "HOW-TO MANUAL" based on Quraan and the Hadith (Prophet Muhammad's sayings). It it is a human effort to understand the concept of Justice enshrined in Qur'aan for living a day to day life.

The private domain of the manual is about the relationship between an individual and the creator, whereas the public domain of the Sharia law is about the relationship between the individual and the society.

The contentious issues stem from treatment of; divorce, women's rights, inheritance, theft, adultery and apostasy. Our focus is in understanding and bringing forth various opinions and thoughts to get a grasp of the system.

The core value of Islam is Justice. The violations of justice and the rule of law are found in every faith, culture and political traditions at varying degrees. No community can cast the first stone.

Sharia industry has been built with strong fortifications to the point that many a Muslims are caused into believing that Sharia is divine. Justice is one of the core values of Islam and Sharia should be looked from that lens and not vice-versa.

It is like the defense industry, tax preparers industry or the Holocaust industry - where they make it so complicated that they are needed. It is their business protection plan.

Islam is a simple religion for one to follow and be accountable for his or her actions. We don't need an industry and Islam does not have clergy built into it.

We can retain the private Sharia and let go of the public sharia, the civil laws of the nation provide ample justice and we don't need a duplicate system. It is not divine to begin with to hang on to it.

Orgins of Islamophobia

Deliberate defamation &
Propogation of Misconceptions.

Roots of Islamophobia in the early Orientalist Translations

The first Qur'an translation was into Latin by Robert of Ketton in 1143. It was made at the request of the Abbot of the monastery of Cluny. (abounds in inaccuracies)
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Another Latin translation by Ludovicus Marracci was published in 1698. It was supplemented with quotes from Qur'an commentaries "carefully juxtaposed and sufficiently garbled so as to portray Islam in the worst possible light" (Colin Turner,1997 p. xii).

The title of the introductory volume of such translation was A Refutation of the Qur'an.

Such translations formed the foundation for a number of subsequent translations into English, French, Italian, German, etc.
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The first English translation was that of Alexander Ross published in 1649. In his introduction, Ross says "I thought good to bring it to their colours, that so viewing thine enemies in their full body, thou must the better prepare to encounter … his Alcoran" (p. A3).
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Similarly, H. Reckendorf (1857) says in his Hebrew translation of the Qur'an, "I can now stop writing and ask God's pardon for the sin I committed when I profaned our sacred language and transferred to it the talk of lies and falsehood" (as cited in Abdul Aal, January 29, 2006, p. 78).
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In 1734, George Sale’s translation came out based on Marracci’s earlier notorious work. In 1861, J. M. Rodwell’s work provided a further example of a writer "gunning for Islam" (Turner, 1997, p. xii).
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Courtesy: Ibrahim Saleh & Dahlia Sabry Researchers at Al-Azhar University, Cairo

Foundationless castles

You may discover to your chagrin, that many of the Neocon Doctors on Islam have built their castles on wrong foundation. In fact Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham Junior's information on Islam comes from these falsities.

When the European Kings were attacked by the invading Arab Armies, one of the ways they could get their subjects to defend their Kingdoms was through a campaign of hate.

They roped in the pope to issue a fatwa against 'infidel' Muslims, then paid the evil writers to mis-translate the Qur'aan with the intent of enraging the good Christians to go on crusades to kill the infidels. This is one part of the equation, the second part is even the Arab Kings had the Qur'aan mistranslated to enrage Muslims against the other infidels. Check out the Hilali translation in the title Bismillah on this Blog.

Neither Islam nor Christianity would have approved any of the non-sense of crusades, inquisitions and other massacres. It was all done to protect and annex the lands that belonged to each other.

I wish the average Christians and Muslims had not fallen into the trap of hatred for the gains of the dead Kings and today's virtual Live Kings with similar goals of controlling resources with no care for their faith or human lives.

It is time for the humanity to go for the truth. All religions were issued by the creator for the individuals to find a balance and peace for themeselves and with other humans and environment.

The truth is all religions are for the good of mankind, where ever you see wickedness, it has the non-Godly element in it.

Koran - George Sale
Old Translation
Mistranslated Qur'aan